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Playback en el HIStory Tour.

Se ha hablado tanto del tema playback porque cuesta entender esta decisiòn de Michael, yo creo que estaba inseguro con su voz y por eso decide lo del History playback tour. Una pena que no se haya permitido màs fallos, por su excesivo perfeccionismo , y nos haya dado màs directos, sobre todo en las baladas. "You are not alone" en total directo hubiese sido genial , aùn con fallos o no llegando a todos los tonos pero Michael no se permitia fallar nunca.
Lo que yo hice fue preguntar el porque no se intercalo entre playback y directo si no podia hacerlo todo en directo, mas nada.

Este foro es libre y asi como muchos se empeñan en seguir hablando de TII o cualquier tema que les plazca, pues yo quise empeñarme en hablar del playback, que dio, sigue y seguirá dando de que hablar.
 

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Precisamente estaba pensando sobre este tema y se me ocurrió venir a pasar el rato xD
Dime algo que no sepa gambitero, xp!

Pd: al igual que hay artistas que hacen residencias para concerts en determinados locales, tú ya tienes una residencia en este post, incluso creo que un rinconcito donde de hecho has "ponío" "un saco de dormir para pasar las noches y q no te quiten el sitio", xp!
 
Por cierto para los que se preguntan porque You Are Not Alone no fue en directo aquí esta la respuesta.


Cuando empieza a cantar suena desafinado y nisiquiera intenta hacer el grito, seguramente estaba un poco mosqueado en esa parte, pero Michael no lo dejó pasar, no se pudo perdonar ese falló, por lo que si es perfeccionismo en su máxima expresión.


Aquí si hace el grito, por si quieren oírle mas en directo

45:45


Dime algo que no sepa gambitero, xp!

Pd: al igual que hay artistas que hacen residencias para concerts en determinados locales, tú ya tienes una residencia en este post, incluso creo que un rinconcito donde de hecho has "ponío" "un saco de dormir para pasar las noches y q no te quiten el sitio", xp!
Pues me has concedido el honor de tener residencia, en este post xd
 

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Por cierto para los que se preguntan porque You Are Not Alone no fue en directo aquí esta la respuesta.


Cuando empieza a cantar suena desafinado y nisiquiera intenta hacer el grito, seguramente estaba un poco mosqueado en esa parte, pero Michael no lo dejó pasar, no se pudo perdonar ese falló, por lo que si es perfeccionismo en su máxima expresión.


Aquí si hace el grito, por si quieren oírle mas en directo

45:45



Pues me has concedido el honor de tener residencia, en este post xd
Una pena que Michael fuera tan ultraperfeccionista, porque amo sus directos, aùn con fallos, tienen una humanidad y una excelencia que un frio sonido de playback que suena perfecto pero todos sabemos que es una grabaciòn y pierde encanto. Michael porque no cantaste màs en vivo, aceptando tus gallos o pifies que tenian gran encanto ! pero bueno, por suerte en el Bad y el Dangerous tour hay bastantes directos.
 
Una pena que Michael fuera tan ultraperfeccionista, porque amo sus directos, aùn con fallos, tienen una humanidad y una excelencia que un frio sonido de playback que suena perfecto pero todos sabemos que es una grabaciòn y pierde encanto. Michael porque no cantaste màs en vivo, aceptando tus gallos o pifies que tenian gran encanto ! pero bueno, por suerte en el Bad y el Dangerous tour hay bastantes directos.
Los gallos los tuvo mas que nada en la era History y en algunos Bad Tour en Man In The Mirror, salvo en el Royal Concert y algunos conciertos de 1996.

En el 2001 francamente su voz esta en mucho mejor estado y no esta tan cansada.

Como siempre digo es una lástima que nunca haya hecho un concierto completo en la decada del 2000.
 

danyjackson

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Los gallos los tuvo mas que nada en la era History y en algunos Bad Tour en Man In The Mirror, salvo en el Royal Concert y algunos conciertos de 1996.

En el 2001 francamente su voz esta en mucho mejor estado y no esta tan cansada.

Como siempre digo es una lástima que nunca haya hecho un concierto completo en la decada del 2000.
El punto de inflexiòn fue Royal Brunei , poco antes del History Tour, donde hizo màs directos y su voz no estaba del todo bien, y hasta tuvo fallos de letra en Beat it. La ùltima vez que hizo Billie Jean en vivo tampoco fue la mejor y ahi decidiò hacer todo en playback para mi. Michael no aceptaba no sonar igual que en los discos, buscaba siempre la perfecciòn, a veces demasiado para mi , pero por eso se enfocò màs en el baile en History tour.
 
El punto de inflexiòn fue Royal Brunei , poco antes del History Tour, donde hizo màs directos y su voz no estaba del todo bien, y hasta tuvo fallos de letra en Beat it. La ùltima vez que hizo Billie Jean en vivo tampoco fue la mejor y ahi decidiò hacer todo en playback para mi. Michael no aceptaba no sonar igual que en los discos, buscaba siempre la perfecciòn, a veces demasiado para mi , pero por eso se enfocò màs en el baile en History tour.
Para mi no es que no sonará del todo bien, sino que su voz habia cambiado, además que en esa epoca no estaba en tan buena forma fisica y por eso ya no puede cantar y bailar como antes (por no decir que se ahoga en canciones como Billie Jean) de hecho tiene mejor voz que varios History Tour

En el Dangerous Tour también tuvo varios fallos de letra en Beat It y sigue haciendola en directo.

Creo que es una pena que no se haya arriesgado a hacer la gira en plan Dangerous Tour, aunque seria bueno ver los ensayos si ahi tenia planeado hacerlo, al menos antes del Royal Concert, porque se sabe que Stranger In Moscow iba a ser en directo, pero no quedo conforme, algunos dicen que la hizo en playback por la decisión de que todo el setlist seria playback también.
 

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Para mi no es que no sonará del todo bien, sino que su voz habia cambiado, además que en esa epoca no estaba en tan buena forma fisica y por eso ya no puede cantar y bailar como antes (por no decir que se ahoga en canciones como Billie Jean) de hecho tiene mejor voz que varios History Tour

En el Dangerous Tour también tuvo varios fallos de letra en Beat It y sigue haciendola en directo.

Creo que es una pena que no se haya arriesgado a hacer la gira en plan Dangerous Tour, aunque seria bueno ver los ensayos si ahi tenia planeado hacerlo, al menos antes del Royal Concert, porque se sabe que Stranger In Moscow iba a ser en directo, pero no quedo conforme, algunos dicen que la hizo en playback por la decisión de que todo el setlist seria playback también.
Hold on. The reasons for lip syncing no one will ever truely know cause it’s a choice of Michaels and Michael did tend to lie too. That’s why I took what he apparently said and compared it with the progression of his playback.
So that’s debatable.
What’s not debatable is Michaels physical shape on the history tour. He was probably in the best shape of all his tours dating back to before 75.
he was actually eating, he wasn’t underweight, he actually had muscle.
How on earth did you come to the conclusion he wasn’t in such good physical shape?
 
Hold on. The reasons for lip syncing no one will ever truely know cause it’s a choice of Michaels and Michael did tend to lie too. That’s why I took what he apparently said and compared it with the progression of his playback.
So that’s debatable.
What’s not debatable is Michaels physical shape on the history tour. He was probably in the best shape of all his tours dating back to before 75.
he was actually eating, he wasn’t underweight, he actually had muscle.
How on earth did you come to the conclusion he wasn’t in such good physical shape?

To me he not was in great shape in 1996, in 1997 he had better shape.

See the Royal Concert or one of the History Tour(1996), his perfomance are not the same.

In the Dangerous Tour he keeps the same level orf the Bad Tour, He still can sing and dance.

In the History Tour he already not able to do.

Yes he had muscle, but in the Dangerous he had fiber.

I think the lupus had worse in the History era and this fuck his live perfomances.
 
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To me he was not in great shape in 1996, in 1997 he had better shape.

See the Royal Concert or one of the History Tour (1996), his performance are not the same.

In the Dangerous Tour he keeps the same level orf the Bad Tour, He still can sing and dance.

In the History Tour I have already not able to do.

Yes he had muscle, but in the Dangerous he had fiber.

I think the lupus had worse in the History era and this fuck his live performances.
Vocally he was a little rough in 1996 (as we all know) but Michael was in the best shape physically of his adult life at the time aside from the Bad tour. He was a lot thinner in 1997, if you look at the gold pants, notice how much space there is in 1997 vs 1996. in 1996 he was very in shape. He may have appeared to be in better shape in 1997 because his voice sounded smoother than in 1996, but he was a lot thinner in 1997, in worse shape than 1996.
 

therealCTE

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Vocally he was a little rough in 1996 (as we all know) but Michael was in the best shape physically of his adult life at the time aside from the Bad tour. He was a lot thinner in 1997, if you look at the gold pants, notice how much space there is in 1997 vs 1996. in 1996 he was very in shape. He may have appeared to be in better shape in 1997 because his voice sounded smoother than in 1996, but he was a lot thinner in 1997, in worse shape than 1996.
He started out in probably the best shape of the tour at the start of 97. It was around Gothenburg were he started to get skinny to the point where it was great physical shape.

I really don’t understand dragon1996’s reasoning behind being in better shape when he was clearly underweight.
Someone who ate one meal a day, if he wasn’t going days without, is extremely underweight like on bad and victory tour, and on top of that giving those performances.
That’s abusing and destroying your body while being at a really bad physical shape.

I’m pretty sure he liked dancing better when he hadn’t eaten that day. Which that little calories he’d need to maintain anything before history means he was performing off his adrenaline which has nothing to do with anything
 

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To me he not was in great shape in 1996, in 1997 he had better shape.

See the Royal Concert or one of the History Tour(1996), his perfomance are not the same.

In the Dangerous Tour he keeps the same level orf the Bad Tour, He still can sing and dance.

In the History Tour he already not able to do.

Yes he had muscle, but in the Dangerous he had fiber.

I think the lupus had worse in the History era and this fuck his live perfomances.
Lupus was at a peak in thriller era so that says a lot.
also my response above answers this too
 
Vocally he was a little rough in 1996 (as we all know) but Michael was in the best shape physically of his adult life at the time aside from the Bad tour. He was a lot thinner in 1997, if you look at the gold pants, notice how much space there is in 1997 vs 1996. in 1996 he was very in shape. He may have appeared to be in better shape in 1997 because his voice sounded smoother than in 1996, but he was a lot thinner in 1997, in worse shape than 1996.
In 1996 he was a litlle bit fat than other eras, this not necesary have a great shape, how we can see in the royal concert he is not able to san and dance at the same time.

In 1997 had better voice and i can say he was more healthy, because he not looks soo tired than 1996 shows.


In 1992 he was skinner too and his shape is a lot better than 1996.

He lost weight at the last part of the tour due to the propofol he start to use since Múnich.
 
He started out in probably the best shape of the tour at the start of 97. It was around Gothenburg were he started to get skinny to the point where it was great physical shape.

I really don’t understand dragon1996’s reasoning behind being in better shape when he was clearly underweight.
Someone who ate one meal a day, if he wasn’t going days without, is extremely underweight like on bad and victory tour, and on top of that giving those performances.
That’s abusing and destroying your body while being at a really bad physical shape.

I’m pretty sure he liked dancing better when he hadn’t eaten that day. Which that little calories he’d need to maintain anything before history means he was performing off his adrenaline which has nothing to do with anything
Yep, in august starts his deteriorate.
 

therealCTE

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In 1996 he was a litlle bit fat than other eras, this not necesary have a great shape, how we can see in the royal concert he is not able to san and dance at the same time.

In 1997 had better voice and i can say he was more healthy, because he not looks soo tired than 1996 shows.


In 1992 he was skinner too and his shape is a lot better than 1996.

He lost weight at the last part of the tour due to the propofol he start to use since Múnich.
One, he wasn’t really fat my friend.
1992 he was underweight.
The only time he was ever actually fat was 2002 era.
basically every era apart from history till 2004 he was quite noticeably underweight. Skinnier does not mean better, especially when you’re at that level of skinny and it actually has the opposite effect to your physical health. As said, he was basically performing of adrenaline.

Also, propofol doesn’t make you lose weight
 
One, he wasn’t really fat my friend.
1992 he was underweight.
The only time he was ever actually fat was 2002 era.
basically every era apart from history till 2004 he was quite noticeably underweight. Skinnier does not mean better, especially when you’re at that level of skinny and it actually has the opposite effect to your physical health. As said, he was basically performing of adrenaline.

Also, propofol doesn’t make you lose weight
The propofol no, but the lag of sleep yes and michael due to the propofol are "sleep" for almost 4 months, in TII he take propofol and loss a lot of weigh.

I don't want exaggerate, but in the royal concert i see him with a bit of his normal weigh, that's i want to say.
 
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