mjj_inspiration
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Muy raro sí, yo de todas formas lo tengo descargado, porque está en youtube pero dentro de nada lo volverán a borrar.
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"Leaving Neverland": El documental que amenaza con destruir a MJ *Opiniones*
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Ahora cuando ya se termine de estrenar en todo el mundo el documental, pase un poquito de tiempo y dejen de poner noticias tipo.....¡ la horripilante vez que Michael Jackson monstruosamente estornudo en público!!! O lo que es lo mismo noticias chorras sacadas de contexto del baúl de los recuerdos.... es cuando el State y la familia más tienen que atacar, incluidos todos los fans juntos y empecemos a limpiar toda la porquería que ha dejado este nefasto documental.
Angie
Esto es MUY surrealista
Yo escucho Los 40 Classic más o menos cada día en algún momento desde que la descubrí en Diciembre (y me encanta, considero que han mejorado lo que era M80). A Michael siempre lo ponen porque es uno de los pilares de esta emisora, debido a las épocas en las que se centra. De hecho, he tenido la suerte de pillar "Beat it" a eso de las 8:45 y "Remember the time" al mediodía. Es curioso, pero muchas veces que la sintonizo justo comienza alguna canción suya.
Antes de poner "Beat it" el locutor dijo tan campante algo tipo "¡Y ahora el Rey del Pop! Que como ya sabéis ahí está este documental con dos testimonios que puedes creer o no". Y ya está...
Antes de poner "Beat it" el locutor dijo tan campante algo tipo "¡Y ahora el Rey del Pop! Que como ya sabéis ahí está este documental con dos testimonios que puedes creer o no". Y ya está...
Infobae hace un mes que publica una por dia noticia sobre Michael y todas en contra, tienen una saña terrible en su contra, aunque las masas no hablan de esto, el tema es que algo queda siempre en el inconciente de escuchar tantas noticias horribles o de leer aunque sea los titulares, no podemos minimizar el impacto terrible de todo esto en la memoria e imagen pública de Michael, haciendo como que no pasó nada no resolvemos el tema, al contrario, hay que seguir difundiendo la verdad sin descanso . Es lógico que no sea la noticia más comentada en Latinoamerica cuando la región tiene otras crisis y temas politicos o económicos más importantes , pero algo siempre queda de esta difusión malsana de noticias negativas. Solo en unos meses se podrá medir bien el impacto de todo esto, pero no ha sido menor.
El sábado el documental subtitulado en español tuvo 20.000 visitas, hoy supera las 70 mil, asi que mucha gente en youtube lo está viendo, sea para creer en él o para saber porque tiene tanta fama este delirio de 4 hs...pero minimizar su impacto o decir que no tiene éxito me parece que es intentar negar lo que está sucediendo...solo aceptando la realidad podemos afrontarla y combatirla.
muajajaja
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yo creo que es mas bien para creérselo, son muy convincentes y la gente no sabe nada de la vida de MJ. Esto va a ser una plaga...
Es increible el refrito de noticias del pasado, en cualquier momento resucitan al nefasto Victor Gutierrez y su libro "MJ es mi amante" de Chandler , aunque muchos dicen que el documental, tomó ese libro como una de sus fuentes porque repiten varias de sus frases...Este impresentable tuvo que huir de USA porque declaró que tenia un video de Michael y Chandler teniendo sexo, claro que el video jamás apareció...y la justicia lo condenó a pagar millones y millones por su injuria grave.
Otra cosa que me ha preguntado, en la epoca de los celulares y las cámaras..nadie filmó nada ? no hay evidencia filmada ? justamente en esta epoca, si mas 600 chicos pasaron y durmieron en Neverland y hubiera pasado algo alguien hubiera filmado algo ..pero resulta que no hay pruebas y solo palabrerio sacado en gran parte del libro de Gutierrez...en fin....es lo que hay.
Para mi es muy infantil pensar que todo esto ocurre por bronca a Michael... SI, en una parte pequeña si, o se piensan que los dos acusadores sienten cariño por el? evidentemente estan frustrados porque tuvieron la oportundiad de estar con el rey del pop y no llegaron a nada, no viven en la riqueza, la estrella se apago y los fracasados ahi quedaron, pero la realidad es que hablar de MJ VENDE, todos la compran, incluidos los fans que nos indignamos y ya llevamos 78 paginas hablando de lo mismo, se piensan que no lucraron con esto? todos lucraron, y mas de un grupo debe estar brindando por la estrategia comercial que nuevamente salio bien, no odian a Michael Jackson, aman el dinero, por eso mismo MJ siempre dijo estar dispuesto a perdonarlos.
mjj_inspiration
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¿Habéis visto Antena 3 noticias esta noche? Han sacado el temita de Debbie Rowe y los hijos de Michael.
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Menos mal que no veo la TV.
Fredcharleskrueger
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He recibido este correo del estate, alguien más lo recibió?
Hello, MJFam:
The last few weeks have been a challenge for everyone who loves Michael. Many of you have been asking for an update from the Estate, and I have the following statement to share.
We want to start by again thanking all of Michael’s fans and acknowledge and thank Michael’s nephew, Taj, his niece, Brandi, and his brothers, Jackie, Marlon and Tito, Grace Rwaramba, Aaron Carter, Brett Barnes, Stephanie Mills and all of the other individuals around the world who have spoken out on his behalf. We also want to acknowledge those in the media who have done their job as journalists by reviewing the facts, noting how they were ignored in Leaving Neverland because it didn’t fit into the filmmaker’s one-sided agenda of denigrating Michael’s legacy.
We also want to provide a brief update on our efforts, as well as share some thoughts with you from the past two weeks. We share your frustration and anger that a man who was found innocent in a court of law in life is being attacked, financially exploited and smeared by corporations and individuals who are only making claims now because he is no longer here to defend himself.
In addition to our public statements regarding our position on Leaving Neverland, our legal efforts continue. While it would not be prudent to publicly divulge our strategy and list our efforts, rest assured we are committed to holding HBO and Channel 4 accountable for their egregious, uncorroborated smear of Michael’s legacy. Many of you have asked why we are seeking open arbitration. The answer is simple: we believe the public deserves to know how Leaving Neverland really came about, why no counter opinion was ever sought, why so many facts were ignored and why individuals were smeared who should have at a minimum been contacted to get the other side of the story. It is outrageous that such a one-sided smear was ever allowed on the air without challenge. We all know that if Michael was still alive it would never have been aired.
We also have other non-legal initiatives that we will disclose at the appropriate time. What is important for us, and always has been, is that we continue to take the long view as we have over the last decade. That means not doing anything rash that would give HBO, Channel 4, the film’s director and, especially, the subjects of the film, what they most crave now. They want to engage in a way that focuses more attention on a film that has no doubt underperformed given that the media did everything in its power to sell this film to viewers. But given the enormous attention and free publicity the media gave this film, the numbers have clearly not matched the hype in the markets where it has aired, with many viewers opting to stop watching after the first part.
We recognize that the press often magnifies each affront related to this film. But from our view the actual impact of this documentary on the public and their behavior has not been as significant as the media want people to think. While some would like you to think otherwise, we can confirm that the consumption of Michael’s music has not declined and his streaming numbers have not decreased in the wake of this documentary. This tells us that in addition to those of us who know the truth about Michael, those who may not understand Michael’s eccentricities and the way he chose to live his life outside of society’s norms are still choosing to appreciate and enjoy the art he created. We have licensees worldwide who are proudly selling Michael Jackson merchandise. We have insight into a significant amount of data that the fans do not see and we are working 24/7 behind the scenes to synthesize all that information and act accordingly.
We are also seeing a sharp disconnect between the reception of the film by everyday viewers and the mainstream media. Despite being outright propaganda, many viewers see through the one-sidedness, the over-the-top salacious claims, the staged dialogue and other dramatizations. They see that what Leaving Neverland boils down to is a sales job aimed at convincing viewers Michael Jackson isn’t the man millions of people know and love, including the two subjects of the film and their families until they chose to sue for hundreds of millions of dollars. As people have had time to digest Leaving Neverland and review the facts, many are recognizing they can’t take it at face value. We are especially proud of Michael’s fans and those who continue to stand up for him by pointing out the numerous inconsistencies and flaws in the film. Numerous individuals who have studied every facet of these cases has poked numerous holes in the stories of the two subjects. Some critics and individuals are now courageously admitting publicly that, having studied the facts, their view of the film changed 180 degrees.
Michael Jackson cannot be silenced, and neither can his fans, whether it is those who proudly play his music in public squares to show their support, the coffee shop owner in New Zealand who played his songs all day long in protest of Leaving Neverland or those who put posters and signs around cities proclaiming his innocence. As Michael predicted 25 years ago, the truth will be his salvation.
The Estate of Michael Jackson
Thank you for your continued support of Michael and his legacy.
Best,
Alicia
Hello, MJFam:
The last few weeks have been a challenge for everyone who loves Michael. Many of you have been asking for an update from the Estate, and I have the following statement to share.
We want to start by again thanking all of Michael’s fans and acknowledge and thank Michael’s nephew, Taj, his niece, Brandi, and his brothers, Jackie, Marlon and Tito, Grace Rwaramba, Aaron Carter, Brett Barnes, Stephanie Mills and all of the other individuals around the world who have spoken out on his behalf. We also want to acknowledge those in the media who have done their job as journalists by reviewing the facts, noting how they were ignored in Leaving Neverland because it didn’t fit into the filmmaker’s one-sided agenda of denigrating Michael’s legacy.
We also want to provide a brief update on our efforts, as well as share some thoughts with you from the past two weeks. We share your frustration and anger that a man who was found innocent in a court of law in life is being attacked, financially exploited and smeared by corporations and individuals who are only making claims now because he is no longer here to defend himself.
In addition to our public statements regarding our position on Leaving Neverland, our legal efforts continue. While it would not be prudent to publicly divulge our strategy and list our efforts, rest assured we are committed to holding HBO and Channel 4 accountable for their egregious, uncorroborated smear of Michael’s legacy. Many of you have asked why we are seeking open arbitration. The answer is simple: we believe the public deserves to know how Leaving Neverland really came about, why no counter opinion was ever sought, why so many facts were ignored and why individuals were smeared who should have at a minimum been contacted to get the other side of the story. It is outrageous that such a one-sided smear was ever allowed on the air without challenge. We all know that if Michael was still alive it would never have been aired.
We also have other non-legal initiatives that we will disclose at the appropriate time. What is important for us, and always has been, is that we continue to take the long view as we have over the last decade. That means not doing anything rash that would give HBO, Channel 4, the film’s director and, especially, the subjects of the film, what they most crave now. They want to engage in a way that focuses more attention on a film that has no doubt underperformed given that the media did everything in its power to sell this film to viewers. But given the enormous attention and free publicity the media gave this film, the numbers have clearly not matched the hype in the markets where it has aired, with many viewers opting to stop watching after the first part.
We recognize that the press often magnifies each affront related to this film. But from our view the actual impact of this documentary on the public and their behavior has not been as significant as the media want people to think. While some would like you to think otherwise, we can confirm that the consumption of Michael’s music has not declined and his streaming numbers have not decreased in the wake of this documentary. This tells us that in addition to those of us who know the truth about Michael, those who may not understand Michael’s eccentricities and the way he chose to live his life outside of society’s norms are still choosing to appreciate and enjoy the art he created. We have licensees worldwide who are proudly selling Michael Jackson merchandise. We have insight into a significant amount of data that the fans do not see and we are working 24/7 behind the scenes to synthesize all that information and act accordingly.
We are also seeing a sharp disconnect between the reception of the film by everyday viewers and the mainstream media. Despite being outright propaganda, many viewers see through the one-sidedness, the over-the-top salacious claims, the staged dialogue and other dramatizations. They see that what Leaving Neverland boils down to is a sales job aimed at convincing viewers Michael Jackson isn’t the man millions of people know and love, including the two subjects of the film and their families until they chose to sue for hundreds of millions of dollars. As people have had time to digest Leaving Neverland and review the facts, many are recognizing they can’t take it at face value. We are especially proud of Michael’s fans and those who continue to stand up for him by pointing out the numerous inconsistencies and flaws in the film. Numerous individuals who have studied every facet of these cases has poked numerous holes in the stories of the two subjects. Some critics and individuals are now courageously admitting publicly that, having studied the facts, their view of the film changed 180 degrees.
Michael Jackson cannot be silenced, and neither can his fans, whether it is those who proudly play his music in public squares to show their support, the coffee shop owner in New Zealand who played his songs all day long in protest of Leaving Neverland or those who put posters and signs around cities proclaiming his innocence. As Michael predicted 25 years ago, the truth will be his salvation.
The Estate of Michael Jackson
Thank you for your continued support of Michael and his legacy.
Best,
Alicia
Andrea Jackson 7
AMJ7
LonzoBall1: yo hablaba del documental, que lo han subido a youtube con subtítulos en Español. Se decía que era muy raro que sea así y que no haya sido reclamado por derechos de autor.
mjj_inspiration
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Michael Jackson
Michael Jackson (1958-2009) was a famous singer and entertainer. Between 1993 and 1994 and separately between 2004 and 2005, Jackson was investigated by California law enforcement agencies for possible child molestation. He was acquitted of all such charges. The FBI provided technical and...
Que esto es un campaña mundial muy bien orquestada no me cabe duda, amparados en lo mucho que vende Michael....y que otros usan para hundir su memoria y legado...creo que un documental parecido sobre Madonna no hubiera tenido efecto alguno...eso que Madonna es famosisima, casi la única que se acerca en fama a Michael (no asi en ventas ) pero Madonna no tiene antecedentes ..ni la prensa creó una imagen pública nefasta, al contrario se la ve como una mujer poderosa e influyente... ni la prensa se ha ensañado con ella, salvo cuando en algunas ocasiones, por material con contenido erótico, pero hubiera bastado una desmentida de Madonna y el tema se pinchaba en quince dias. Esto se ha convertido en una bola gigante y no me cabe duda que estan usando a Michael para tapar a los verdaderos criminales y abusadores. No puede ser que el nefasto documental haya generado 500 titulares distintos solo en Latinoamérica...es claramente una campaña global que busca dinero, tapar a criminales verdaderos y que Michael no siga vendiendo tanto...no es bueno para el negocio de algunos, que un artista muerto hace 10 años venda mucho más que los artistas en actividad..no les convenia Michael vivo y nos les conviene Michael leyenda que sigue vendiendo millones y millones. Ni artistas en actividad en gira mundial recaudan lo que sigue recaudando Michael. esto molesta a varios indudablemente.
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mjj_inspiration
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Solo digo que antes del estreno del documental, estaba en el puesto 74 del top 100 de los artistas más escuchados en la actualidad. Ahora anda en el 68. Si quieren destruirlo, no van a poder ya. En mi opinión, la gente tiene una visión clara de Michael Jackson. Hoy en un grupo de whatsapp de música, yo era el único fan de Michael y prácticamente todos le defendían, algunos incluso vieron el documental y no se lo creyeron. En internet puede que se vea el odio hacia Michael, pero son muchos los que creen en él y no dejan constancia en las redes porque saben que el tema es ridículo. También tengo que decir (y esto me sorprendió) que el otro día defendiendo a Michael en instagram, me habló el típico regaetonero de mi pueblo diciéndome que siempre tendrá a Michael en un pedestal y que ya podrán sacar mucha mierda de él que nunca dejará de creer en su persona. Son muchos más de los que creemos los que estamos apoyándole y si quisiéramos podríamos movilizar a muchísima gente a salir a la calle por él, como ya se hizo en junio de 2009. Habría que volver a hacerlo este año, más que nada porque el 26 de junio comienza el juicio contra HBO y hay que demostrar que seguimos a su lado. Buenas noches a todos y ánimo.